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:I'll add what I know about the history to the main page. I wasn't aware of the APL# design, so thanks for pointing that out. Most of what you've written doesn't seem appropriate for a wiki, and I'd recommend instead publishing it somewhere else under your name and citing it here. If the conversations with John Scholes are private emails, they're not [[APL_Wiki:Content_guidelines#Verifiability|verifiable]] by a reader unless sourced this way. And as a reader I'm not interested in things like internal issue numbers and half-formed unpublished ideas like :Array. There's a reason Wikipedia [[wikipedia:Wikipedia:Conflict_of_interest#Writing_about_yourself,_family,_friends|says things]] like "If you have a personal connection to a topic or person, you are advised to refrain from editing those articles directly". We're not so strict about this, but my judgment here (as someone who also has a personal connection!) is that it's interfering with the information density that most readers would want. --[[User:Marshall|Marshall]] ([[User talk:Marshall|talk]]) 12:50, 19 August 2022 (UTC) | :I'll add what I know about the history to the main page. I wasn't aware of the APL# design, so thanks for pointing that out. Most of what you've written doesn't seem appropriate for a wiki, and I'd recommend instead publishing it somewhere else under your name and citing it here. If the conversations with John Scholes are private emails, they're not [[APL_Wiki:Content_guidelines#Verifiability|verifiable]] by a reader unless sourced this way. And as a reader I'm not interested in things like internal issue numbers and half-formed unpublished ideas like :Array. There's a reason Wikipedia [[wikipedia:Wikipedia:Conflict_of_interest#Writing_about_yourself,_family,_friends|says things]] like "If you have a personal connection to a topic or person, you are advised to refrain from editing those articles directly". We're not so strict about this, but my judgment here (as someone who also has a personal connection!) is that it's interfering with the information density that most readers would want. --[[User:Marshall|Marshall]] ([[User talk:Marshall|talk]]) 12:50, 19 August 2022 (UTC) | ||
:Having read the relevant parts of the APL# [https://www.dyalog.com/uploads/conference/dyalog11/presentations/D08_apl_sharp/AplSharpDescription.pdf language description] I disagree with the description you've given. A namespace is a list of expressions, not name-value pairs: for example <source inline>[[ a←b←⍳10 ⋄ {a[⍵]←0}¨2 4 6 ]]</source> would be allowed. Having not worked with <source lang=apl inline>:namespace</source> I may be missing some details, but it seems <source inline>[[</source> and <source inline>]]</source> function identically to <source lang=apl inline>:Namespace</source> and <source lang=apl inline>:EndNamespace</source> and those aren't considered array notation. It's still relevant to the history but the framing as a kind of array notation seems misleading to me. Similarly, I took out the section on NARS: there's no discussion of the display as a way to write arrays in the manual, and multi-line printout with parentheses appears to be purely for display. So Adám's claim that "the need for a way to represent complex structures was already recognised" is speculative unless there's a source I haven't seen. --[[User:Marshall|Marshall]] ([[User talk:Marshall|talk]]) 14:41, 19 August 2022 (UTC) | |||