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These two could be used in combination, with Lamp Rho Downstile Box  being the official logo and Lamp Box being used at small sizes like for favicons.
These two could be used in combination, with Lamp Rho Downstile Box  being the official logo and Lamp Box being used at small sizes like for favicons.
== General comment by Richard ==
Personally I think the logo should be as simple and straightforward as possible. The logo also represents how we see ourselves in the community. It's difficult to express myself with these kind of subtleness in English, but I'll give it a try.
We should see APL as a major language.There are several YouTube Video's about esoteric languages. And APL is always mentioned in these videos... That is not where it belongs. APL is not a synthetic or artificial language just for fun.
This must also be reflected in the logo. No cryptic or nerdy design which reflects on the niche people think APL belongs to. No offence meant to other designs!!! Don't put yourself in a place you don't belong or want to be.
If you google APL, the first hit (in my case)is a ocean transport company. And it's logo is the three APL letters. Same goes for some shoe company (third hit), also the three letters. The APL programming language is not representing some kind of company but a serious programming language with its own applications and territory where it is sublime!
I am not a programmer and do nothing with software development for my job. I learned myself programming in C during my study (many years ago) to solve problems I encountered. However, what I experienced in C (and the same goes perhaps for a lot of other languages) is that you can start programming right away, and on the way start thinking about the solution. I started with APL three week ago. And this is completely different. First you have to think about the solution and then you start programming. (maybe it even shouldn't be called programming!). And again, I might be very wrong about this because of my lack of programming experience.
For me, APL is:<br>
''Back to basic. Think first, act (program) later. A direct approach to the solution of your problem.''<br>
And the language reflects this way of thinking. Even the (for a novice) cryptic symbols forces (helps!) you to pick up this mind set. So should the logo.
== Letters From the Cube comment by [[User:Mlliarm|Mlliarm]] ([[User talk:Mlliarm|talk]]) ==
This could be read as `APL` but also as `ALP`, so it might confuse those that are not aware of the language name or people outside of the community.
== APL Wiki comment by [[User:Mlliarm|Mlliarm]] ([[User talk:Mlliarm|talk]]) ==
I like this one actually.
- it is very modern as per design.
- it's been used already in the APLwiki page (even though maybe the version with the traditional name in the middle is better) so some of us already feel used to it.
- It could be decided to use the traditional name APL with the nice curvy font, which will keep a connection with the past of the language this way.
- If the name was used I'd prefer the Lamp Rho Floor symbols or the curvy font mentioned earlier.
- If the name was used I don't think if like it to be anywhere else than in the middle. That's only where it's possible to enclose the letters with a bubble.
- The symbolism might be visible only to those that can recognize a matrix when they see it, but for me it has a deep and important symbolism: everything in APL is an array, be it 0-dimensioned (scalar), 1-dimensioned (vector or array), 2-dimensioned (matrix), n-dimensioned where n greater than 2 (tensor).
== Quad APL comment by [[User:Mlliarm|Mlliarm]] ([[User talk:Mlliarm|talk]]) ==
This imho is too cryptic.
It carries the message that APL code can look like arcane ancient voodoo spells or incantations to [[wiki:Cthulhu|Cthulhu]] and Yog Sothoth.
So I don't think it'd be a good idea to use this one, no matter how original is the idea of the creator.
It'd probably scare a beginner off. But I think the general feelings one should get when they lay their eyes on the logo are:
- aesthetic pleasing: it must have symmetry, be curvy and avoid many angles
- it has to make them curious or lure them to look into the language.
Not sure how the APL community can solve the issue that the glyphs bring math traumas to the surface (this is my naive "theory") and so, only those that can see the beauty of it all beyond the weird symbols will stay.
But I guess this is a problem (or a non problem) that the logo cannot solve, no matter how good and pleasant to the eye it is: for some people the glyphs will scare them away (possible math trauma in the past) and for others (the few mathematically inclined, or those that can handle any math anxiety that a total alien looking language can create to a new user -- like a westerner that tries to learn Japanese) it is this that will attract them to the language.
I suppose one needs to have a fair amount of weirdness in their mind/psyche to appreciate APL and decide to learn it, and keep pushing through the math anxiety it creates, like learning Japanese.
== 50 years apple comment by [[User:Mlliarm|Mlliarm]] ([[User talk:Mlliarm|talk]]) ==
Classic, but not very modern. Also keeps the APL/apple pun around. Not sure how good this is.
== Display matrix comment by [[User:Mlliarm|Mlliarm]] ([[User talk:Mlliarm|talk]]) ==
Even though the design is a bit dated, I like a lot the fact that it can be created using the APL REPL and a few chars from the APL character set.
Maybe with some vidual artistic polishing it could be a strong contestant.
== Modern comment by [[User:Mlliarm|Mlliarm]] ([[User talk:Mlliarm|talk]]) ==
I'd avoid the star in the logo...
In my eyes it makes look like it's an extremist left revolutionary group...
== Cube apple comment by [[User:Mlliarm|Mlliarm]] ([[User talk:Mlliarm|talk]]) ==
I like this very much:
- it has the apple looking design, so here's the connection with the past
- the apple looks like a design from a cubist painter, and very modern, so here's the connection to the present and the future. Also being a cube,  it has a strong reference to the basic data structure of the language (array) and suggests that APL works with n-dimensional data too
- finally, it has the curvy APL name in the center that looks good to the eyes, makes it very clear of how the language is called plus it introduces the newcomers to their first three glyphs: Lamp Rho Floor.
Very strong contestant too imho.
== Letters From the Cube comment by [[User:John niss hansen|John niss hansen]] ([[User talk:John niss hansen|talk]]) ==
I like this logo based on a plyomino and coded in APL
== Letters From the Cube comment by [[User:AplProgrammer148|AplProgrammer148]] ([[User talk:AplProgrammer148|talk]]) ==
I like this because it showcases APL's array-oriented programming.
== 50 years apple comment by [[User:Bill Early|Bill Early]] ([[User talk:Bill Early|talk]]) ==
If I may make a suggestion...
- Use the same general shape of this logo
- Red apple, not green
- Maybe a little green leaf or two
- No worm
- "APL" in the thicker 2741-like font, like in a nearby logo
== Parallel lines comment by [[User:RLevine|RLevine]] ([[User talk:RLevine|talk]]) ==
The basic design is strong. A font designer could simplify the letters inside the black parallel lines, perhaps while keeping the parallel lines motif in the letters.

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