https://aplwiki.com/api.php?action=feedcontributions&user=PaulMansour&feedformat=atomAPL Wiki - User contributions [en-gb]2024-03-28T13:22:27ZUser contributionsMediaWiki 1.38.2https://aplwiki.com/index.php?title=Talk:APL_logo&diff=7488Talk:APL logo2021-10-21T13:26:43Z<p>PaulMansour: /* Plain Ellipse comment by ~~~ */ new section</p>
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== Nested bitmaps comment by LdBeth ==<br />
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I love the bitmap style font used in this logo, and this one comes with many variations.<br />
Might be great if combined with the dot halftone style logo used for APL Wiki.<br />
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== Parallel lines comment by RGS ==<br />
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The “parallel lines” logo is very hard to read and it's hard to understand that there's an “APL” written in there.<br />
In general, I would go for things that are easy to read.<br />
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== Display matrix comment by [[User:PaulMansour|PaulMansour]] ([[User talk:PaulMansour|talk]]) ==<br />
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This is an excellent starting point, but rather than the exact output of the DISPLAY function, a good graphic designer could stylize it a bit, perhaps removing some white space, a little kerning on the letters, some color, etc.<br />
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== Cube apple comment by [[User:Ros|Ros]] ([[User talk:Ros|talk]]) ==<br />
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Stylistically, I like this logo the best - but it is my least preferred option: for me, it is too reminiscent of the [[Dyalog APL|Dyalog]] application logo to be a general and independent APL logo. [[User:Ros|Ros]] ([[User talk:Ros|talk]]) 09:17, 8 October 2021 (UTC)<br />
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== Script apple comment by Fiona ==<br />
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Although I rather like the "hollow" version of this, Dyalog Ltd have already adopted a slight variation of this for use as the APL Seeds logo (user meetings, events and information specifically for new APLers) – [https://www.dyalog.com/apl-seeds-user-meetings/aplseeds21.htm see here for an example] and the detail makes it harder to shrink. The filled version is slightly more reminiscent of a bell pepper than an apple to me – I prefer the shape of the (otherwise similar) 50 Years one further down the page.<br />
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== Cube apple comment by [[User:Fiona|Fiona]] ([[User talk:Fiona|talk]]) ==<br />
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I like the cube representation and its array implications but it's maybe a tad too similar to the [https://aplwiki.com/wiki/Dyalog_APL| Dyalog product logo]. I really dislike the text – on first impression it looked odd, and when realising that it's APL glyphs instead of letters it just seemed a bit of an inside joke that might alienate those who are not in the know.<br />
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== Parallel lines comment by [[User:Fiona|Fiona]] ([[User talk:Fiona|talk]]) ==<br />
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This might appeal to those who have fond memories of the rather brilliant book, but it looks very dated, is hard to read unless you already know what it said, wouldn't render well when small, and wouldn't work in black-and-white.<br />
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== General comment by MichaelBaas ==<br />
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It would be useful if the icons were shown in the same size(s), perhaps 32x32 as a miniature version (favicon etc.) and 192 x 192, and maybe each on a black and on a white background - so 4 versions per icon.<br />
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== Plain Ellipse comment by [[User:PaulMansour|PaulMansour]] ([[User talk:PaulMansour|talk]]) ==<br />
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Very nice. Simple, clean, should be good at all sizes. Gets my vote!</div>PaulMansourhttps://aplwiki.com/index.php?title=Talk:APL_logo&diff=7430Talk:APL logo2021-10-07T18:21:00Z<p>PaulMansour: /* Display matrix comment by PaulMansour (talk) */</p>
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== Nested bitmaps comment by LdBeth ==<br />
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I love the bitmap style font used in this logo, and this one comes with many variations.<br />
Might be great if combined with the dot halftone style logo used for APL Wiki.<br />
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== Parallel lines comment by RGS ==<br />
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The “parallel lines” logo is very hard to read and it's hard to understand that there's an “APL” written in there.<br />
In general, I would go for things that are easy to read.<br />
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== Display matrix comment by [[User:PaulMansour|PaulMansour]] ([[User talk:PaulMansour|talk]]) ==<br />
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This is an excellent starting point, but rather than the exact output of the DISPLAY function, a good graphic designer could stylize it a bit, perhaps removing some white space, a little kerning on the letters, some color, etc.</div>PaulMansourhttps://aplwiki.com/index.php?title=Talk:APL_logo&diff=7429Talk:APL logo2021-10-07T18:20:08Z<p>PaulMansour: /* Display matrix comment by ~~~ */ new section</p>
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== Nested bitmaps comment by LdBeth ==<br />
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I love the bitmap style font used in this logo, and this one comes with many variations.<br />
Might be great if combined with the dot halftone style logo used for APL Wiki.<br />
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== Parallel lines comment by RGS ==<br />
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The “parallel lines” logo is very hard to read and it's hard to understand that there's an “APL” written in there.<br />
In general, I would go for things that are easy to read.<br />
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== Display matrix comment by [[User:PaulMansour|PaulMansour]] ([[User talk:PaulMansour|talk]]) ==<br />
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This is an excellent starting point, but rather than the exact output of the DISPLAY function, a good graphic designer could stylize it a but, perhaps removing some white space, a little kerning on the letters, some color, etc.</div>PaulMansourhttps://aplwiki.com/index.php?title=APL_logo&diff=7428APL logo2021-10-07T18:07:16Z<p>PaulMansour: /* Proposals */</p>
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<div>As of {{CURRENTMONTHNAME}} {{CURRENTYEAR}}, APL does not have a logo like many other programming languages do. After a consensus at their September 9th 2021 [[BAA webinar|webinar]], [[BAA]] will head an effort to adopt a universal [[vendor]]-agnostic logo for APL. This article collects draft proposals for the universal APL logo. Feel free to [{{fullurl:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|action=edit&section=1}} add your own].<br />
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To leave feedback on or ideas for the existing proposals, see the [[{{TALKPAGENAME}}|Discussion page]].<br />
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== Proposals ==<br />
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=== Cube Apple ===<br />
[[File:APL_logo_light.png|120px|frameless|left]]<br />
This is a cube, which is a common APL motif, e.g. used for [[APL2]] (including the book [[Books#APL2_at_a_Glance|APL2 at a glance]]), [[APL*PLUS]] and [[Dyalog APL]]. However, one quarter has been modified to resemble a leaf, thus making the cube into an [[apple]], another common association with APL. The leaf is supposed to hint at the [[Del]] which symbolises [[function]] definition and has been used in application icons for [[APL+]] and [[APLX]]. The green colours come from [[IBM]]'s modern '''Carbon''' design to honour IBM's role APL's history. The lettering spells out "APL" while also hinting at APL's usage of special [[glyphs]]; here <code>⍝⍴⌊</code> which look very close to the forms found in the widespread ''APL385 Unicode'' [[font]].<br />
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=== Nested Bitmaps ===<br />
[[File:Nested bitmaps logo dark.png|120px|frameless|left]]<br />
[[File:Alternative nested bitmaps.png|frameless|right|Alternative nested bitmap logos]][[File:Nested bitmaps logo.png|120px|frameless|left]]<br />
This logo is a reinterpretation based on the classic APL [[apple]] with the leaf styled as a filled [[Del]] which symbolises [[function]] definition and has been used in application icons for [[APL+]] and [[APLX]]. The green colour comes from [[IBM]]'s modern '''Carbon''' design to honour IBM's role APL's history. The apple is subdivided into a rectangular pattern which is supposed to invoke a [[matrix]] and the middle row in turn holds three 4-row, 3-column [[Boolean]] matrices to spell out "APL" as bitmaps. This matrix of matrices hints at APL's multi-dimensional [[nested array]]s. The logo exists in various variations, and each comes has a version for light backgrounds and one for dark backgrounds.<br />
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=== Script apple ===<br />
[[File:Script logo.png|120px|frameless|left]]<br />
[[File:Script logo filled.png|120px|frameless|right]]<br />
This [[apple]] logo is a basic update of [[IBM]]'s classic "I like APL" promotional, but with the leaf styled as a filled [[Del]] which symbolises [[function]] definition and has been used in application icons for [[APL+]] and [[APLX]]. The colours comes from [[IBM]]'s modern '''Carbon''' design to honour IBM's role APL's history. The script lettering commemorates APL's origins as handwritten notation and at the same time symbolises the ease with which APL is written. On dark backgrounds, the lettering would be produced in white rather than black. The logo also exists as a filled green version.<br />
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=== Parallel Lines ===<br />
[[File:Parallel Lines.png|120px|frameless|left]]<br />
This logo is from the cover of the original edition of Paul Berry's [[SHARP APL]] Reference Manual.<br />
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=== Ligatures ===<br />
[[File:Ligature Original.jpg|120px|frameless|left]]<br />
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[[File:Ligature Separated.jpg|120px|frameless]]<br />
[[File:Ligature Separated Aligned.jpg|120px|frameless]]<br />
[[File:Ligature AP.jpg|120px|frameless]]<br />
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This is Jon McGrew's reworks of an original design by Joseph DeKerf that used the [[wikipedia:ITC Avant Garde|ITC Avant Garde]] font. The original is arguably ambiguously APL/ALP, hence the alternative versions.<br />
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=== Display matrix ===<br />
[[File:Display matrix.png|120px|frameless|left]]<br />
This is the output from the classic <source lang=apl inline>DISPLAY</source> function when applied to the matrix <source lang=apl inline>1 3⍴APL</source>.<br />
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=== Quad APL ===<br />
[[File:QuadAPLAlt.png|90px|frameless|left]]<br />
[[File:QuadAPL.png|90px|frameless|right]]<br />
This is the design by LdBeth that plotted by the MetaPost program below. It is composed visually by Quad, And, Circle (Pi), Left Tack, and forms the stylized "APL". One day he needs an icon for his APL keyboard layout, and he spent an hour to do the sketching and wrote the code in his favorite font design tool MetaFont. The right one is the old, original one. There might be alternative glyphs, and he will gladly accept any interesting suggestions for improvements.<br />
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% show bound box<br />
prologues := 2;<br />
beginfig(1);<br />
% edge<br />
e=5;<br />
a=40;b=28;<br />
% misc points<br />
m=0.3a;n=0.5b;t=2;<br />
% center<br />
z0=(e+n,e+0.4a);r=7;<br />
% quad<br />
z1=(e,e);z2=(e,a+e);z3=(b+e,a+e);z4=(b+e,e);<br />
% and<br />
z5=(e+t,e+m);z6=(e+n,e+0.8a);z7=(e+b-t,e+m);<br />
% pi<br />
z8=z0+(0,r);z9=z0+(r,0);<br />
z10=z0-(0,r);z11=z0-(r,0);<br />
% left<br />
z12=(z1+z4)/2;z13=z10-(0.3b,0);<br />
% draw<br />
pickup pencircle scaled 3;<br />
draw z1--z2--z3--z4--cycle;<br />
draw z5--z6--z7;<br />
draw z8..z9..z10..z11..cycle;<br />
draw z0--z12; draw z10--z13;<br />
endfig;<br />
end<br />
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=== Direction and Magnitude ===<br />
[[File:DirectionAndMagnitude.png|120px|frameless|left]]<br />
The colors are taken from the Canadian flag.<br />
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